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RE: New Truck Purchase Any Advise - Waterloo - 09-15-2019
Back to the topic at hand, go over the truck as best you can. Just remember anything with around 500,000 miles is going to need an in frame sooner than later. And unfortunately with these EPA motors, sooner is the norm.
I would seriously think twice about buying one of these EPA trucks, especially if you have to carry a note. Me, I would look for some well maintained non EGR old iron. They are out there, and parts are still available to keep them on the road. And, if an in frame is needed, it is not as bad as one of these newer trucks.
Anyhow, if you have to do this, an EPA truck, get it to Mr Hagg's shop ASAP, AFTER YOU do a complete EGR Tuneup. When you do this EGR tuneup, only use genuine Cummins sensors, do not go screwing around with Chinese knock off sensors. Sometimes you just have to pay the vig. And when you are doing the EGR Tuneup, pick up the cam and crank position sensors along with a new oil pressure sending unit. Then let MR Hagg fix and inspect your truck so that you will have a better chance of making it out here.
Also, try and find a 13 or 18 speed if possible, ten would be my last choice but better than an automatic. Stay away from the automatics unless you need one due to a physical disability. Gearing, odds are you are going to be stuck with tall gears, swap those out as soon as you can if you are going to be running heavy the majority of the time. I would look at the 3:55's or there about. And pray the fool that drove the truck previously did not lug the shi#t out of it. And when you are looking this truck over, I would go to NAPA and pick up one of their Block Test Kits, $50 to $60. This will tell you in short order if there is exhaust gas in the coolant system. This is a non invasive test, all that is required is that the truck is running at operating temperature. If the dealer will not allow this test, walk away, as odds are he knows there is a liner or head issue.
You already have Insite, but start purchasing tools and diagnostic equipment. First thing on my list would be a coolant pressure testing kit along with an AirLift coolant system fill kit. You will need both of these soon, and the initial purchase is still less than what a shop will charge you. Odds are you will need to replace all of the plumbing (hoses) soon after purchasing, you will need these two kits, do not take your truck to a shop, do this work yourself and learn your cooling system. Very important to know this system. When it is in frame time, this is where you will discover the ugly truth, your cooling system, unless the fuel pump lets loose, and we don't want to go there.
Assemble the tools to do the overhead, they will pay for themselves the first time you use them and you will know the job was done correctly. And if possible, get that valve cover lid off of the motor to inspect the cam and rollers BEFORE purchasing, very important. If they will not let you inspect I would consider walking away. If they let you under the valve cover, inspect the Jake harness, you are looking for heat damage. If you see any signs of brittleness, cracks or the plastic clips are damaged, you will need a new one. They are easy to install.
If you purchase the 2250 or 2350 motor, plan on rebuilding or replacing the fuel pump ASAP. Even if they say it was recently done, at least tear it apart and inspect it unless you can see it is a new pump. If it is new, it will normally not be painted, and someone will have some paperwork somewhere in the Cummins system. I would not trust a dealer in any of this, they have a long history of lying to us guys.
Get familiar with the parts that are soon to be in need of replacement. You will really need to shop around for parts, FleetPride is a good place for generic parts. Freightliner too, they beat the hell out of other dealers for those same common parts.
If you get a Paccar product, inspect the coolant line coming out of the passenger side bottom radiator. The pipe is made of metal and they corrode very quickly and are not cheap to replace. They need to be painted with POR 15, several coats before installing. If purchasing from a dealer have them throw one in your sleeper so you can install and paint it properly.
Then the damper, 500,000 miles and it is getting time to replace. Needs to be painted, several coats, use Cummins Red paint from dealer, one can is plenty. Mark the timing marks and then use a professional clear coat to protect your marks. Use several coats and let dry before installing.
This is not the days of trucking I started in. You could buy a new truck and with a good maintaince schedule 1.5 to 2 million miles was easy to obtain. These motors and trucks of today are like going back in time to the days of V8 Detroits and chain drives. If you do not know how to keep them running in your driveway, you will be out of business in short order, and that means learning the systems and getting your hands dirty.
The days of simple maintenance and cruising down the road are long gone. You need to learn diagnostics, be able to read schematics, turn a wrench, have the proper speciality tools and learn how to properly drive the truck for the best fuel mileage and longevity of the motor. My first EPA truck, which I still own, destroyed my marriage and about bankrupted me. I'm not the only one, there are a few of us still here, and more than a few that are no longer in trucking or are driving a company truck for someone else. I would say they are the smart ones.
Good luck and Happy Motoring!
RE: New Truck Purchase Any Advise - JHNDZ - 09-15-2019
(09-15-2019 )Rawze Wrote: You also did not mention what the rear ratios are. I would not give 3 =cents for it if it is anything taller than about 3.55's. - Those damn mega-fleets any more spec these truck so wrong, where they eat the engine up due to too tall rears + low rpm hammering all the damn time, truck can hardly get out of their own way, it is not even funny any more. first half its life, some A-hole with his foot in the floor all the way against that governor lugging the crap out of the liners so that 500k later it is in dire need of an inframe because the dips#it thinks it can go up every hill below 1400 rpm everywhere they go without cutting engine life in half.
Pretty polish, false promises, and the glee of truck purchase blinds people so badly they have no clue what they are getting into. Is the truck even spec'd properly for what you plan on using it for? - Roof height, rear ratio, etc. etc. etc.
So far its only been a thought, that's why im here to learn what the community has to say. On there online pg it says it has 3.42 ratio. Its a 72 in sleeper , 230 wheel base . I plan on running the truck locally here in socal with a 53 ft dry van . adv 425 hp should be plenty i usually haul 20 - 25k lbs.
RE: New Truck Purchase Any Advise - Waterloo - 09-15-2019
(09-15-2019 )JHNDZ Wrote:(09-15-2019 )Rawze Wrote: You also did not mention what the rear ratios are. I would not give 3 =cents for it if it is anything taller than about 3.55's. - Those damn mega-fleets any more spec these truck so wrong, where they eat the engine up due to too tall rears + low rpm hammering all the damn time, truck can hardly get out of their own way, it is not even funny any more. first half its life, some A-hole with his foot in the floor all the way against that governor lugging the crap out of the liners so that 500k later it is in dire need of an inframe because the dips#it thinks it can go up every hill below 1400 rpm everywhere they go without cutting engine life in half.
Pretty polish, false promises, and the glee of truck purchase blinds people so badly they have no clue what they are getting into. Is the truck even spec'd properly for what you plan on using it for? - Roof height, rear ratio, etc. etc. etc.
So far its only been a thought, that's why im here to learn what the community has to say. On there online pg it says it has 3.42 ratio. Its a 72 in sleeper , 230 wheel base . I plan on running the truck locally here in socal with a 53 ft dry van . adv 425 hp should be plenty i usually haul 20 - 25k lbs.
That is what I have been running with my truck, local and short haul up until this past December when my carrier closed their doors. I have the 3:42 gears, they are annoying, but I haul lite, normally under 15,000 lbs. with a van. If you are running light like that, it will get annoying if you do a lot of stop lights and traffic, but it is easy to keep the RPM's up with a manual transmission and those light loads, not so much when you are heavy. I have know clue how an automatic would operate in those conditions in regards to RPMs and shift points, but would still swap out the gears for 3:55s. I will be doing mine next year.
RE: New Truck Purchase Any Advise - Magard - 09-15-2019
3.42 in SoCal would annoying because of all the hills. I would want more like 3.70
RE: New Truck Purchase Any Advise - JHNDZ - 09-21-2019
(09-15-2019 )Waterloo Wrote: ...
The days of simple maintenance and cruising down the road are long gone. You need to learn diagnostics, be able to read schematics, turn a wrench, have the proper speciality tools and learn how to properly drive the truck for the best fuel mileage and longevity of the motor. My first EPA truck, which I still own, destroyed my marriage and about bankrupted me. I'm not the only one, there are a few of us still here, and more than a few that are no longer in trucking or are driving a company truck for someone else. I would say they are the smart ones.
Good luck and Happy Motoring!
Hey thanks bro, Ive read your comment like 3 times learning each step i should take.
ive decided to go with a private seller its just more risk getting this knight truck. im currently looking at a 13 Pete 386, has a isx cm2250 with a 13spd. ODO has 440xxx but im still going to napa and getting all the tools i need to properly inspect this engine.
Do you know how many hrs of running should be between each regen on these engines.?
RE: New Truck Purchase Any Advise - DDlighttruck - 09-22-2019
(09-15-2019 )Waterloo Wrote: Back to the topic at hand, go over the truck as best you can. Just remember anything with around 500,000 miles is going to need an in frame sooner thanGreat advice!
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What’s sad, is that “mechanics” don’t own diagnostics tools. And to make it worse the shops they work for don’t own them, either. I guess it’s a cost of doing business but man it’s frustrating
RE: New Truck Purchase Any Advise - Waterloo - 09-22-2019
The best advice I can give you regarding the regen is to get your hands on an inline reader to see what is really going on with the system. I have no real experience with these SCR trucks, maybe Rawze can chime in in regards to regen cycles.
RE: New Truck Purchase Any Advise - Waterloo - 09-22-2019
(09-22-2019 )DDlighttruck Wrote: Great advice!
What’s sad, is that “mechanics” don’t own diagnostics tools. And to make it worse the shops they work for don’t own them, either. I guess it’s a cost of doing business but man it’s frustrating
These emission trucks are very expensive to own, and until you get everything taken care of, they can literally bankrupt you. The days of GTO are long gone... Gas, Tires and Oil.
I have foolishly been working on mine for 6 years, and it has taken that long to get it to the point that I can actually drive it without being concerned with "what next". Two in frames and more issues than Carter has liver pills... It runs good now, hell, everything is new, but has cost me a marriage, my house and my dogs and I have yet to get a full year of work out of it. I would not recommend trucking to anyone...
The only reason I am still here, is Rawze, and my stubbornness.
RE: New Truck Purchase Any Advise - Rawze - 09-22-2019
(09-22-2019 )Waterloo Wrote:(09-22-2019 )DDlighttruck Wrote: Great advice!
What’s sad, is that “mechanics” don’t own diagnostics tools. And to make it worse the shops they work for don’t own them, either. I guess it’s a cost of doing business but man it’s frustrating
These emission trucks are very expensive to own, and until you get everything taken care of, they can literally bankrupt you. The days of GTO are long gone... Gas, Tires and Oil.
I have foolishly been working on mine for 6 years, and it has taken that long to get it to the point that I can actually drive it without being concerned with "what next". Two in frames and more issues than Carter has liver pills... It runs good now, hell, everything is new, but has cost me a marriage, my house and my dogs and I have yet to get a full year of work out of it. I would not recommend trucking to anyone...
The only reason I am still here, is Rawze, and my stubbornness.
Looking back, I think you can see now though that a whole lot of that grief could have been completely avoided. Just think how for ahead you would be now if you have taken that thing and wrangled it into something decent yourself (like a proper inframe, etc. we finally did in my driveway) shortly after purchasing it.