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RE: Last straw - SquareOne - 10-02-2019
I would hope not as well, but unfortunately that happens every day
RE: Last straw - Lonestar10 - 10-02-2019
Nope appt at end of next week at family friends shop to replace head check liners if measurements don't come out right gona pull pistons recut bores and put new rings in and get it right then truck should run like a champ. I've invested in to much in respecting driveline and other new parts to just give up. And I do have the finances to do it. The bonus will be end result in fuel mileage boost from running correctly. And the fact I do love the design of the Lonestar this is just a bump in the road in our relationship
RE: Last straw - Rawze - 10-03-2019
We got it all back together ...
The head is bad, like mentioned in previous post. Other than that, I helped him set the injector and valve cams back to their correct positions. He also got his CAC unit replaced under warranty "it did not cost him a dime", and we tested the new one before installing it.
When putting the valve train back together, during the overhead valve adjustment, I could tell the compression just was not there for several of the cylinders when turning the engine by hand. There was resistance, but no hissing, not much "spring-back" if any at all for most of the cylinders that is normally felt, like it had really worn out rings or something.
The engine pressure test had revealed that cylinder #1 was the strongest by far, and it also was just about the only cylinder during the overhead valve adjustment that had this spring-back feeling when turning engine by hand. It made me wonder heavily if the rings are aligned and offset improperly on the pistons, compounding the issues. - It would not surprise me considering the other work was not done right.
I put his original 500/1850 program that belongs in it back in the ecm.
Truck runs pretty well considering it is loosing compression on 4 cylinders.
-- I test drove it just to see how the truck felt, what it was like to drive it with lower than normal compression ...
It actually ran very smooth, like nothing was wrong whatsoever... HOWEVER ... I can say for sure that it was not making anywhere near its rated 1850 torque, it was obvious that the power was less than it should be. - A Dyno would reveal what it was actually making, but it seemed to me that it was was more like about 1550 -- maybe, if that. It drives like it has a set of really tall rears, like say 2.08's or something taller. That, or just like an engine that has a moderate intake or exhaust restriction.
Instant fuel mileage in the dash said all was well, matched whatever I was doing, showed high numbers when cruising like nothing was wrong, was showing no indication of lower than normal readings for the slightly lower power it was producing. He has however ran the holy crap out of his APU while he has been here. That would explain some of his low fuel mileage if he is doing this a lot.
Boost was a bit low (at 33-34~ish) due to the power/compression losses, but not low enough to cause a starvation of that much power or torque. It seemed a bit lazy, but it may just be the resulting symptoms of the engine not making good compression.
The truck rolls well in neutral, tranny and drive line feel fine, clutch is not slipping, brakes do not feel like they are dragging, etc.
-- With the head being bad on it, -- that may be all that is wrong at this point. Hopefully that is all it is, that problem absolutely needs to be fixed. After that, there are still more things that can be checked. Things like the diaphragms on the back side of the IFSM, and a few others. it also did not fair as well on the front 3 cylinders as it did the back 3 during cut-out tests. I told him that the metering/timing coils should be swapped front bank to back bank and see if this imbalance follows the coils or not... but Like was mentioned, the head is toast, and that needs correcting before much of anything else can be done towards a final definitive solution.
I just hope like hell he takes my advice and raises those liners while the head is off + looks for anything else that may have been half-arssed when replacing that head. - After that head is replaced, hopefully it is the bulk of the problem, but if not so, more tests and things can be done.
All someone can do is repair what they find along the way and keep going when looking for a problem such as this. The truck is in good shape otherwise, it looks nice, and it is definitely worth saving if possible.
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Things that can still be checked before pulling the head are...
* re-installing a missing seal on elbow pipe for the turbo cold side housing.
* Test drive with the air filters / intake removed to see if power/boost improves.
* Test drive with the exhaust disconnected to see if power/boost improves.
* Check the circuit/sensor and feed-pipe for the exhaust pressure sensor.
* Have VG ring and exhaust impeller on turbo inspected for any damage/wear with rear housing removed.
* IFSM diaphragms inspected/replaced.
* Metering/timing actuators swapped around to find why front bank is slightly weaker than rear bank.
* Injector part#'s verified for correctness.
RE: Last straw - Chamberpains - 10-03-2019
How would one take a test drive with the intake disconnected? How would you keep debris from getting in?
RE: Last straw - Lonestar10 - 10-03-2019
Risk vs reward
RE: Last straw - tree98 - 10-03-2019
Why wouldn't changing the air filter accomplish the same thing?
RE: Last straw - Unilevers - 10-03-2019
(10-03-2019 )tree98 Wrote: Why wouldn't changing the air filter accomplish the same thing?
because the restriction may not be the air filter. Running it with the intake piping off for a mile or 2 down a paved road isnt going to hurt it while diagnosing.
RE: Last straw - Rawze - 10-04-2019
(10-03-2019 )tree98 Wrote: Why wouldn't changing the air filter accomplish the same thing?
Not really. Those lonestars with their plastic chrome cans on the sides of the cab look like they have a somewhat restricted intake to begin with. If relieving those restrictions temporarily on a test drive improves boost or power, then it is just another place to consider.
RE: Last straw - Lonestar10 - 10-04-2019
Woo what a step up lol got info on my rental next week. 2014 kw t660 and if it's like the ones I was looking at last year before buying my truck it probably has a 9 c transmission end airplane gears