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The Mothership needs an MPG Boost - brothermothership - 05-18-2016
Hey all, I am currently driving a 2016 Volvo 780 that pulls a flatbed at or near 80k most of the time. The combination is as follows: Cummins ISX15, Eaton Ultrashift + 10 speed overdrive ( .73 ), 3.36 gears, standard profile 22.5 tires, 450hp with 1550/1750 ST rating on the plate.
The vehicle has about 25000 miles on it, no trouble codes, and in general runs ok. The emission system is working fine. Despite all this, the fuel economy is not acceptable. I've tried driving slower ( 56 to 65 mph ), use the cruise as much as possible, and in general be kind to the Mothership. The best it's done is 6.5 with a load of straw from ND to TN that was tall enough to help with the aero and was 33k# ( about 67k gross ), but most of the time it's 6.0 to 6.3. I don't idle the truck much.
I did notice that the transmission programming was not optimized for best fuel economy, and the Eaton rep is coming out to put a low rpm/progressive shift program in the ecm to bring the revs down to 1500 or so rpms and to skip gears instead of running through all of them. The engine speed load breakpoint was lowered slightly to 1600 rpms. When it gets serviced again, I am considering going to a lighter oil like a 5W40 to reduce the drag. The trailer was out of alignment so it's getting replaced with a new Reitenour. I am also going to check the tractor alignment to make sure it's ok.
Are there any other things I should look at? How does the ISX respond to the lighter oils? Should I be concerned with cam and valvetrain wear? Thanks in advance for everyone's help.....there are 5 trucks similarly speced that are hanging in the balance.
RE: The Mothership needs an MPG Boost - bazdan902 - 05-18-2016
(05-18-2016 )brothermothership Wrote: Hey all, I am currently driving a 2016 Volvo 780 that pulls a flatbed at or near 80k most of the time. The combination is as follows: Cummins ISX15, Eaton Ultrashift + 10 speed overdrive ( .73 ), 3.36 gears, standard profile 22.5 tires, 450hp with 1550/1750 ST rating on the plate.
The vehicle has about 25000 miles on it, no trouble codes, and in general runs ok. The emission system is working fine. Despite all this, the fuel economy is not acceptable. I've tried driving slower ( 56 to 65 mph ), use the cruise as much as possible, and in general be kind to the Mothership. The best it's done is 6.5 with a load of straw from ND to TN that was tall enough to help with the aero and was 33k# ( about 67k gross ), but most of the time it's 6.0 to 6.3. I don't idle the truck much.
I did notice that the transmission programming was not optimized for best fuel economy, and the Eaton rep is coming out to put a low rpm/progressive shift program in the ecm to bring the revs down to 1500 or so rpms and to skip gears instead of running through all of them. The engine speed load breakpoint was lowered slightly to 1600 rpms. When it gets serviced again, I am considering going to a lighter oil like a 5W40 to reduce the drag. The trailer was out of alignment so it's getting replaced with a new Reitenour. I am also going to check the tractor alignment to make sure it's ok.
Are there any other things I should look at? How does the ISX respond to the lighter oils? Should I be concerned with cam and valvetrain wear? Thanks in advance for everyone's help.....there are 5 trucks similarly speced that are hanging in the balance.
Cummins specifies to use 15w40 only unless your way up north in freezing temperatures
RE: The Mothership needs an MPG Boost - hhow55 - 05-18-2016
You should be very concerned about cam and valve train wear!!!!
Going to a lighter oil is a big mistake, actually you should be thickening up your oil
Go to the tab, Tech Info, and read thread, "why i do not use LUCAS, and read the entire thread about what to add to your motor oil.
the next thread you should read is " Better fuel mileage through legal custom tuning"
It's all in "Tech Info"
RE: The Mothership needs an MPG Boost - Brock - 05-18-2016
a 5w40 is not going to give you any noticeable difference as the 5 number is your cold flow and the 40 is your operating temperature viscosity so both 15w40 and 5w40 are going to be a 40 wright while going diwn the road.
I run a 5w30 synthetic. 10w30 is what the new volvo and detroit engines are factory filled with and help mileage... yet again the gains are not super substantial and most on this forum would advise you against it.
a quick change of your transmission and differential fluids to a high quality synthetic will help out.
RE: The Mothership needs an MPG Boost - Brock - 05-18-2016
What tires are you running?
RE: The Mothership needs an MPG Boost - Billdozer2 - 05-18-2016
(05-18-2016 )brothermothership Wrote: The vehicle has about 25000 miles on it
Engine isn't even broken in yet. From what I remember, my 2013 Volvo had about the same fuel mileage as you are getting now until I got past about 50k. Then it slowly started to get better and better from there. It stopped getting better at around 100k and now I am in the low 7's with 366k on her.
You are also on brand new tires. That will effect fuel mileage, big time.
I don't know if anyone else will agree with me or not, but my advice, keep on trucking.
Just my experience.
RE: The Mothership needs an MPG Boost - Rawze - 05-19-2016
(05-18-2016 )brothermothership Wrote: Hey all, I am currently driving a 2016 Volvo 780 that pulls a flatbed at or near 80k most of the time. The combination is as follows: Cummins ISX15, Eaton Ultrashift + 10 speed overdrive ( .73 ), 3.36 gears, standard profile 22.5 tires, 450hp with 1550/1750 ST rating on the plate.
The vehicle has about 25000 miles on it, no trouble codes, and in general runs ok. The emission system is working fine. Despite all this, the fuel economy is not acceptable. I've tried driving slower ( 56 to 65 mph ), use the cruise as much as possible, and in general be kind to the Mothership. The best it's done is 6.5 with a load of straw from ND to TN that was tall enough to help with the aero and was 33k# ( about 67k gross ), but most of the time it's 6.0 to 6.3. I don't idle the truck much.
I did notice that the transmission programming was not optimized for best fuel economy, and the Eaton rep is coming out to put a low rpm/progressive shift program in the ecm to bring the revs down to 1500 or so rpms and to skip gears instead of running through all of them. The engine speed load breakpoint was lowered slightly to 1600 rpms. When it gets serviced again, I am considering going to a lighter oil like a 5W40 to reduce the drag. The trailer was out of alignment so it's getting replaced with a new Reitenour. I am also going to check the tractor alignment to make sure it's ok.
Are there any other things I should look at? How does the ISX respond to the lighter oils? Should I be concerned with cam and valvetrain wear? Thanks in advance for everyone's help.....there are 5 trucks similarly speced that are hanging in the balance.
Do not take this personally -- Just making a point here... Just my own thoughts bad as they may be ...
FIRST AND FOREMOST!!! --- WHO IS THE MORON WHO SPEC'D THOSE TRUCKS!!!???
FIrst of all --- Volvo trucks have a HORRIBLE engine compartment design that is OFF THE TOP --- 0.6 MPG LESS FUEL EFFECIENT THAN ANY OTHER BRAND OF NEWER EARO TRUCK! -- Simply because they have restrictive charge circuits AND horrible design of exhaust flow!.-- PERIOD!--- So you can count on one thing for the whole life of those trucks! --- THEY ARE GOING TO LOOSE FUEL MILEAGE COMPARED TO OTHER EARO TRUCKS IN THAT CLASSIFICATION!. Hell,.. I can fit the turbo and other piping literally inside the piping of even my POS prostar it is so small and restrictive,... YES, they are that bad!. The turbo runs 100 degrees hotter because of poor engine compartment air-flow external to the engine, and that makes the oil run hotter as a result. It is easy to have one running around at 235 F oil temps and it will constantly be in silent derate (lowering its fuel mileage a bit more). The list of problems with Volvo trucks is long, yet everyone seems to love them because they don't look past that interior on them. It is truly a shame. -- The sad part is that everything I mentioned could be fixed by slight design changes to them,.. but I don't think the the Volvo truck company realizes what they have done, or perhaps they are simply too cheap to do things right?.
Next --- They have Autoshiftas !!1--- Another 0.6 MPG LESS FUEL EFFECIENT OFF THE TOP COMAPARED TO A STICK AND A DECENENT DRIVER! --- So now your DOWN 1.2 MPG off the top when you combine those 2 facts!. -- Over the next million miles,.. it will consume about 27,000 gallons more in fuel just because of what you have spec'd, not even considering the tall rears you have there that it has to fight as well.
Next --- WHY WOULD ANYONE SPEC 3:36 REARS!??? -- In a truck that is going to move heavy freight -- ESPECIALLY heavy flatbed freight?-- That is a 70 + MPH spec for dryvan/reefer and is HORRIBLE for flatbed!,.. and the truck has no ability to get out of its own way very well with gears set that tall!-- Again,... load it up heavy,.. and your fighting those tall rears and it will kill your fuel mileage!!!
Next -- I commend you for trying to drive it slow,... BUT with such horrible tall rears and Autoshifts,... your fighting an uphill battle, lugging the engine etc!. The only way you can even start to get decent effeciency out of one would be to fight the Autoshift and drop it into high RPM with manual control! -- What a waste of effort.
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Next is the actual question---
Thinner oil is NOT going to do squat for fuel mileage! -- IT IS A F$$KING MYTH BULLSH$#IT STATEMENT FROM DUMBARSSE THEORISTS!! -- I have tested this myself and have even run up to 2 gallons of 80/90 gear lube in my engine just to see if fuel mileage suffered, then compared it. GUESS WHAT -- IT MADE NO MEASURABLE DIFFERENCE! -- I put one gallon of 80/90 gear lube in my engine at every oil change, and my truck still busts 8.9 mpg all day long!.
Your barking up the wrong tree trying to save fuel with that horribly spec'd truck,... I got a better idea -- GET RID OF THAT THING AND RE-THINK YOUR STRATEGY!!!!!! -- It is clear those trucks were made/spec'd for a 'Haulin-arsse' dryvan/reefer company that was going to be in fast-lane all day. Whatever salesman who convinced you to buy a truck spec'd for something that clearly you are not using them for, is the one who should be paying for your fuel. that way they will not do such horrible things to the next guy who comes along who does not know better.
If fuel mileage is your number one concern,.. (and it should be) -- then you need tyo get rid of those Terribly designed Volvo's (Interior on Volvo's is great, but the engine compartment is horribly designed) and get something that is actually meant to be effecient from the ground up,.. and SPEC IT FOR THE TASK AT HAND!.
RE: The Mothership needs an MPG Boost - Brock - 05-19-2016
(05-18-2016 )Billdozer2 Wrote:(05-18-2016 )brothermothership Wrote: The vehicle has about 25000 miles on it
Engine isn't even broken in yet. From what I remember, my 2013 Volvo had about the same fuel mileage as you are getting now until I got past about 50k. Then it slowly started to get better and better from there. It stopped getting better at around 100k and now I am in the low 7's with 366k on her.
You are also on brand new tires. That will effect fuel mileage, big time.
I don't know if anyone else will agree with me or not, but my advice, keep on trucking.
Just my experience.
That's true. When I bought my 2014 volvo I was so angry because my old brick of a truck international 9300 with a 525 red top n14 was getting better mileage than this extreme efficiency euro truck but after about 35000 miles (hauling 140k) or so there was no comparison. ..... the volvo saved me $100 a day.
Just took time.
RE: The Mothership needs an MPG Boost - Rawze - 05-19-2016
(05-18-2016 )Billdozer2 Wrote: Engine isn't even broken in yet. From what I remember, my 2013 Volvo had about the same fuel mileage as you are getting now until I got past about 50k. Then it slowly started to get better and better from there. It stopped getting better at around 100k and now I am in the low 7's with 366k on her.
You are also on brand new tires. That will effect fuel mileage, big time.
I don't know if anyone else will agree with me or not, but my advice, keep on trucking.
Just my experience.
I just put my own truck on the road finally yesterday.. First load out .. It was in-framed by myself, and has all brand new pistons, liners, bearings, head, etc. and I counter-bored it too, and it has 3 new injectors. --- SHE BROKE 8.6 MPG ON HER FIRST TRUE FILL-UP going from Georgia, then it headed to North Carolina, and Then to Missouri (second fill-up) with 25K in dry-box that does not roll too good.. Average to location on it is 8.1,.. so IT IS STILL SHOWING II IS UP A BIT!-- New injectors perhaps?
Truck is doing great so far, but it is early to tell. I would have thought that fuel mileage would have dropped way off too,.. but it is not showing it so far. It also has a gallon of Supertech 80/90 gear lube in it.