Linux v Windows

[Pinetown]

Hi Guys,

I get the impression that the knowledgeable people here use Linux(Ubuntu) or similar to work their "Black Magic"
Can someone tell me what are the advantages of this?
I have a couple of computers that I do diagnostics with and I know from experience that certain programs
will only run on XP while others can run on WIN 7 and very few on WIN10 and then there is the 64 v 32 bit challenge.......all in all its an added pain in the ass to someone whose head is already pounding from trying to understand all this stuff.
Does Linux take away these headaches.???
Mike.

[Rawze]

(02-20-2016 )Pinetown Wrote:  Hi Guys,

I get the impression that the knowledgeable people here use Linux(Ubuntu) or similar to work their "Black Magic"
Can someone tell me what are the advantages of this?
I have a couple of computers that I do diagnostics with and I know from experience that certain programs
will only run on XP while others can run on WIN 7 and very few on WIN10 and then there is the 64 v 32 bit challenge.......all in all its an added pain in the ass to someone whose head is already pounding from trying to understand all this stuff.
Does Linux take away these headaches.???
Mike.

Not using Linux....

* Try buying a new computer with the latest hardware, then install old Windows 3 on it. -- its not going to happen.

* Try buying a new computer with the latest hardware, then install Win-XP on it. -- its not going to happen.

* Try to stop the backdoors and microsft and verisign spyware built into any OS newer than XP. -- its not going to happen.

* Try browsing the www on the same computer your doing engines with on any version of windows without high risk of getting virus. -- its not going to happen.

* try running multiple instances of the same operating system, or multiple operating systems at the same time, being able to switch between them while they are running simultaneously, all within the same computer. -- its not going to happen, or if you get it to, it will be slow as hell.

== there are some drawbacks to using linux...

* Linux is very similar to windows and most programs are point and click, but -- Linux also has a terminal window (Micorsft does to, but no one uses it).

* You will have to learn to use your keyboard/terminal window to install most software, like in the older days of computing. there really is not much need for it unless your installing new stuff though. Having to type in commands to install stuff is why people do not like it. Installing something and getting it set up can be frustrating for new users, and it is hardly ever point and click. After the install process is finished though, everything else you do in linux becomes just as easy as windows was. Most users never use the terminal unless they are installing something. That is another reason why linux is so much more secure and less prone to virus, etc. too. High level commands are required to allow linux to install things to the OS. With windows, you click on a webpage, downloading a file, then it installs without any type of security. With linux, there is really no "downloading" of programs off the web. That is rare. Instead, you find what software you would like to use, open a terminal window, and type the command or commands to install it. The install command will download it for you from a repository that has already been set up and tested throughout the community.

* Overall it is different form windows, and you will have to learn something new, but it is certainly not more complex. - Just different. Most people actually think its easier than windows after they get used to it.

* You still need a virtual (emulated) windows environment to run engine software. Since linux excels in virtualization, this is not a problem.

* You don't have to worry about a virus on every webpage click, so you won't be able to buy your wife a new copy of anti-virus software for Christmas. What a bummer!

* You will not have to worry about letting your friend browse the web and getting you a virus by accident. Well, that is unless you have installed skype to linux. That is its only real weakness, because microsft wrote most of skype and they want to spy on linux users too. NEVER ever ever install skype for linux. use a virtual environment and isolate it if you have to use skype. - Linux excels at emulation and virtualization.

* You won't have to have crack programs and have keygens for linux software. 99% of Every software you will run is already free and works great.

* Your computer will run much much faster without all the bloatware windows has in it. This might be a problem if you are slow and like to drink coffe and chat with others while waiting on tasks to finish.

* You will not have to reset your computer all the time like you do with windows after something crashes. Now you will not have an excuse to run off to the restroom while waiting for a re-boot.

* people will accuse you of being some kind of computer geek because you have linux and not windows. - Shhhh, don't tell them its easier to run. Let them think your a geek!.

* many many devices such as DVD and Multimedia players run on linux. Are they difficult to operate?
* Apple computers OS is base on linux (their own version of it). Are they hard to run?
* Android phones run on linux. Are they hard to operate?

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I am not trying to convince anyone to switch to linux. there are a lot of good windows-7 machines that will work just fine for engine software, etc. and if that is all it is going to be used for (recomended), then leave windows on it by all means. For all else though, and all other computers, I will always recommend linux 10 to 1 over windows. it is simply better overall, and less prone to getting virus or problems.

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[Pinetown]

Thanks Rawze,very informative..should be interesting being a 220lb greasy mechanic and a geek!:)

[in2trux]

(02-20-2016 )Pinetown Wrote:  Hi Guys,

I get the impression that the knowledgeable people here use Linux(Ubuntu) or similar to work their "Black Magic"
Can someone tell me what are the advantages of this?
I have a couple of computers that I do diagnostics with and I know from experience that certain programs
will only run on XP while others can run on WIN 7 and very few on WIN10 and then there is the 64 v 32 bit challenge.......all in all its an added pain in the ass to someone whose head is already pounding from trying to understand all this stuff.
Does Linux take away these headaches.???
Mike.

As long as you need windows, you will have headaches. I have an old duo core laptop with 4Gb. of ram that I picked up for $120 a few years ago.
It runs Ubuntu 64 bit and windows XP 32 bit in VMware. Windows runs in a "sterile" environment and has never been exposed to the internet or malware.
IMHO XP 32 runs SO much faster and better than when it has control of the hardware. I run insite on that and it has been rock steady!
See, you can run 32 bit program on a 64 bit machine! You can run a 32 bit program on a 64 bit OS but not a 64 bit program on a 32 bit
system.

I've done hundreds of win 95,98 XP installs on network machines, back when that was the main corporate OS and it functions more like a thin client like novell or citrix in a VM.
I haven't tried it yet but I'd bet win2k would work just as well as xp. "as long as you have service pack 3 or 4 for either one. Win 2000 was very stable and runs most xp programs without issue because it is basically the same under the hood but with NT compatibility. I ran win2k in our home office machines for 10 years with few issues. At that time I was tinkering with Linux Mandrake and Redhat but really didn't have the time plow through it but could see it was so much more efficient and lighter footprint on the hardware. Old machines running Linux were still faster than the latest greatest hardware running windows. Why? Because windows is a resource hog!
If you go out TODAY and buy the fastest machine on the market, ANY extra speed or performance has already been negated by windows XX.

Windows 7, I replaced windows 7 on my wife's I5 laptop with Linux Mint. I also installed a SSD after the old one died.
My headaches are gone! No more screaming and yelling about crashes or painfully long boot times. I gave Mint the the same "look and feel" and it boots in less than 30 seconds.
The transition had a few bumps in the road but you would never know it now. Next step is to clone the office win 7 machine to VM on a laptop.

I don't have time to keep up with the latest malware exploits on windows or service packs and security updates. Whatever MS is pushing, you need to stay at the end of the line!
Only when they stop supporting it, upgrade. They are never ready for prime time!

If you NEED Win 7 to update, incal files etc., you can run it in a VM but best with clean install and lock it down so NO ONE can run exe's!
Any time you install a new program, something else is going to stop working the way it was, Murphy's Law!
Best have 1 master and clone it. Send the clones out into the shop and Beta test on one clone.

STAY AWAY FROM WIN 8-10 AS LONG AS POSSIBLE! That giant sucking sound will be your brain leaving through your wallet!

Talk to Rawze.

PS. My "new" $400 refurb I7 Asus /16 gb. ram /1 Tb.SSD running Lubuntu is like instant on! Log in takes me longer than boot .

[in2trux]

Short article on upgrading to a Solid State Drive, SSD.
http://www.howtogeek.com/194750/its-time...d=noscript

[Pinetown]

Thanks for taking the time in2trux, pretty convincing argument for Linux,,,,

I think your idea about having a master computer to do beta work and workshop clones is the way to go.

Lesson Learnt;

Good advice for people starting out on this road PLAN AHEAD do not just install programs on whatever system you have available as you need them....it can get complicated to sort out!

[Phase4]

Bill Gates has been in the news lately saying that Apple should allow the FBI a backdoor into it's phones and it reminded me of this old article.

Windows:
" The NSA key is contained inside all versions of Windows from Windows 95 OSR2 onwards. "
See here how they found it
http://www.heise.de/tp/artikel/5/5263/1.html

Linux:
????????????

[in2trux]

(02-24-2016 )Phase4 Wrote:  Bill Gates has been in the news lately saying that Apple should allow the FBI a backdoor into it's phones and it reminded me of this old article.

Windows:
" The NSA key is contained inside all versions of Windows from Windows 95 OSR2 onwards. "
See here how they found it
http://www.heise.de/tp/artikel/5/5263/1.html

Linux:
????????????

Der Link ist nicht gefunden. Fehlermeldung 404.
Vieleicht die NSA hat es schon gestrichen!

Das Forum ist nur Englische.

[Marajin]

Nice article. -- Big brother is always watching. lol