Short hauls and idle time on a farm. Opinions?

[Rawze]

(10-03-2018 )NBFarms Wrote:  If we went with the glider it would probably be the N14. What concerns me is what Rawze has said about getting parts that aren’t meeting the original build quality. Also, by the time it would need repaired, the situation could be that much worse unless the aftermarket steps up to the plate, maybe they are good already, I just don’t have the experience.

There is a concrete company that has lots of money to spend on trucks. They tried to go "Glider" with a bunch of 12-7's / S60's by Fritz-geratol. -- They only have one left,.. they could not keep the them on the roads, ended up sending several back or selling them because of extensive repeating problems and premature engine failures. According to them, most people are using after-market reman kits in them and an OEM S60 is expensive enough to price it out of the market. - for the one truck they have suffered to keep, they have a reman spare engine sitting on a stand they buiult themselves with all 100% genuine parts for the next time it goes out.

Since then, they have resorted to using ISX engines and de-mandating them brand new despite loosing the warranty for them. They work without any problems.

Waterloo was there for a visit with me when he was over and they shared the same story with more detail to him while I was there. - Those guys would tell you to run the other way. (reference: http://rawze.com/forums/showthread.php?t...5#pid27835 ).

Next is the fuel mileage losses for highway applications. You aren't getting high fuel mileage out of one of those older beasts, they simply cannot compete with anything that has a VG turbo on it and a more modern computer for efficiency after one has been programmed for it.

I did the math on one that a guy had,.. it was a T660 glider with an S60 in it. it has about 250k miles or so on it and was already leaking oil out of every nook and cranny from blo-by. - But even with a certified reman, in a million miles, I save about $120,000+ dollars in fuel alone with my 8.3 million mile average mpg to the pump over what he had. - Some have this argument towards "what good is the fuel saving if you have to chase emissions issues and give it all to stealershits" --- But that is bad logic based on the sheer stupidity of many people who can't get off their arsse and maintain their truck regularly instead of waiting for all the idiot lights to come on. - Idiot truck ownership at its best. "Check the oil,... run off to the stealershit every time a light comes on or it stops going when you press the fuel pedal". What a wonderful business plan!.

the thick of it is such that if you maintain and care for a modern engine properly, they are much more profitable than engines of the past by quite a large margin. It is a matter of "higher profit with modern engine + have to take care of it" or "Lower profit with older engines so that you can get away with being lazy/neglecting the crap out of what you got".

I'll take the higher profits any day. It is worth every bit of the extra efforts. A "Glider" still has every single bit of the same problems as any other modern truck has when looking past the engine itself. Problems with wiring, cheap Chinese components, plastic everywhere, etc... Not friendly at all to the "neglect it till it breaks" crowd any ways. No matter what you got these days,.. YOUR GOING TO BE TURNING WRENCHES ON IT IF YOU WANT AS DECENT PROFIT FROM IT".