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(05-07-2021 )Chamberpains Wrote: Try getting the shop manual for a new Honda. It's a complete screw job. You have to pay for access to Honda's site then you only have a limited amount of time to get the info you need and only allowed to download so much info before you're cut off. It's infuriating to just get torque values and sequences to simple repairs.

For vehicles that have a minimum of 7 separately monitored/controlled systems a repair shop needs to have the interface just to see what exactly the vehicle is crying about. But what good does that do if you can't then have affordable access to the proper repair instructions.

This new wave of OEM's trying to pigeon hole customers in to not only buying the equipment from them but then inturn locking them in to a guaranteed life of equipment service agreement is insane. I believe the next logical phase of all of this will be the the OEM's dictating the owners use span of the equipment by saying when its been obsoleted and can no longer be worked on. Which will force yet another new purchase which I know already happens with modern farm equipment. And the cycle repeats. Welcome to corporate communism.

There is a site I belong to. Primarily automotive but has some good HD stuff. I look at all the posts, usually just a few a day. What is happening on the automotive side is INSANE. Literally every function or combo of functions is running thru a module. The newer the worse it is. Multiple CAN's, some LAN, fiber, it is crazy.
Plug and play started going away hard by 2012. Read a thread the other day on a 2011 BMW. A customer had replaced to 105Ahr battery with a 95Ahr. One of the modules would not recognize the battery because of the difference in spec. The parameter in the specific module could be changed BUT every other module, about 12 would need readdressed. A particularly touchy thing on BMW I'm told.
The bullshit is endless. Most of this programing has to come off the OE site. For a fee of course. The OE sites glitch, Ford especially seems to have problems. The older the vehicle the fewer the modules but support ages out. A mess.
The truckbuilders are trendimg this way but not nearly as bad as auto. YET. DTNA aka Freightliner Western Star and whatever else seems to be adding complexity the quickest. Bleedover from their auto side.