Egt last 2 haul days running hot

[Rawze]

First of all, I can tell you right now that you ARE 95% likely to have a bad delete!. .. especially if some complete moron has set that CM2350 on 650+HP!.

I sure hope like all h#ell it was not the truck owner that wanted to do that much HP garbage!.. I don't give a damn how heavy of stuffs they haul!.

OR ... I guess someone just wants to tear up their $40,000 commercial engine?. They just WANT to drop $25,000 and an inframe kit into it every 4 or so years due to all the abuse?. - I guess someone like this must be some kind of rich beyond belief, to be able to abuse and destroy such an expensive engine in today's economy over and over like that!

Let me take a guess ... the program was also done by someone in canada?... those 650hp programs are popular up there amongst the collection of heavy-haul idiots who mostly seem to be h$ell bent on destroying and abusing their engines/trucks for some dumb reason.

You may or may not be from there.. or the shop you took it to.. but I am suspecting heavily that the programs came from there nonetheless.

THERE IS AN ABSOLUTE PLAGUE OF BAD, ABUSIVE TRUCKERS, AND AN EVEN BIGGER PLAGUE OF BAD DELETE PLACES TOO ...

(time to pick on canadian trucking for a bit)...
Canadian trucking.. especially the heavy-hauling scene up there.. is mostly nothing but a bunch of complete engine abusing group of idiotic fools who butcher and over-power their engines/trucks into nothing but a self-destructive state. At the same time, these same idiots will all complain about how the ISX is a weak engine + complaining about how they self destruct over and over, drop liners, and all the other things that they themselves cause.. while it total denial.

-== IT IS THEIR THEIR OWN ABUSES + BAD DELETE PLAGUE THAT ARE IN FACT THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF IT ALL!

And for anyone who ACTUALLY WANTS 650+HP and BIG HP NUMBERS, is on the wrong forum if they think for one minute that I am not going to point out this abusive fact real fast.

I DO NOT TOLERATE ENGINE ABUSE, NOR ANY KIND OF YEE-HAW COW-BOY, BIG BELT-BUCKLE STYLE OF TRUCKING HERE ON MY FORUM!!...

you will get run off from here in a damn hurry!.

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So .. the answer to your question is simple. -= YOU MOST LIKELY HAVE AN ENGINE ABUSING, BAD DELETE PROGRAM!..

STEP#1 = IS TO REALIZE THAT SOMEONE SOMEWHERE SCREWED UP WHEN THEY DECIDED TO PUT AN ABUSIVE DELETE + 650+HP IN THAT ENGINE! INSTEAD OF RE-GEARING THE TRUCK FOR THE HEAVIER WEIGHTS, IF IT WAS REALLY THAT WEAK AND NEEDED ACTUAL HELP TO PULL IT PROPERLY!.

I can tell you right now that I have seen a plague of so-called "650hp programs" coming out of these engine tuning shops (especially out of canada) where the program itself was beyond horrible and beyond abusive, engine killing trash.. This long before some idiot shoved the HP power up that high in it... and they all trade a "650hp program" around amongst themselves like it is the hottest thing!... selling it to truckers who don't know any better. exploiting this fact all to h#ell.

So, I am suspecting that you have a fine example if that garbage that someone shoved into your ecm there as well?. Your post above points heavily towards this any ways. This leads to ...

STEP#2 - Is to copy that program out of the ecm and e-mail it to me for a proper review of what some idiot really did (beyond the abusive 650hp, we already know that is an issue) in that program .. good, bad, and most likely sideways.

I am suspecting that there is absolutely no engine operating mode control logic that has been properly re-worked in that typical bad garbage-can delete whatsoever. -=- and the damn engine is perpetually trying like h#ell, as hard as it can while going down the road, to make as much extra exhaust heat and as much internal engine friction to the liners and pistons (eating its own guts out slowly) to warm up the now missing/unplugged SCR/DPF cans ...

WHAT THESE COMPLETE COLLECTION OF IDIOTS WHO MAKE THESE BAD DELETE FILES DO NOT UNDERSTAND .. IS THAT THE CM2350 ENGINE HAS 13+ ENGINE OPERATING MODES IN IT!!.. AND MANY OF THOSE OPERATING MODES ARE TO WARM UP THE AFTER-TREATMENT SYSTEM .. BECAUSE THE ENGINE WILL NOT MEET ITS REQUIRED EMISSIONS STANDARD UNTIL ALL THE CANS ARE AT 500+F DEGREES!.

= THIS MEANS that the engine mode control logic PRIORITIZES those cans under that truck getting to operating temp as fast as possible after the truck is running. This means that the engine will eat its own guts for breakfast to get it there if it has to.. and when someone takes away that system either in the programming.. or removes it from the truck.. or both.. -= IT WILL PERPETUALLY DO THIS AND SEVERELY SHORTEN ENGINE LIFE with dropped liners, cracked piston or head.. AND in most cases ... REPEATEDLY DESTROY TURBOCHARGERS due to over-spooling because it is being used by that ecm to trap all that exhaust heat to make temps as high as possible.

-= All while that truck driver almost always swears that it seems to run good most of the time.. while the engine is eating its own guts out.

== BUT ITS THE ENGINE'S FAULT RIGHT!!>.// ===

Is anyone starting to see my point?.

This is BEFORE anyone adds a bunch of abusive HP power/torque at all to the program .. which is often another issue all in itself.


WHY DO THEY END UP LIKE THIS????,.,.

Because the bulk of people making these delete programs are incredibly under-educated on how the engines and its programming actually works. That is why!.

Most of these clowns.. all they do is unplug a bunch of stuffs.. and then proceed to simply block every fault code off that they get in the dash instead of re-working the entire program properly. They think that the ecm has some kind of magic fairy unicorn dust in it to make the engine run ok again.. but who cares.. they don't own it.. it seems to run ok.. so they want your moneys,. and when it blows up later on, or you have issues, .. it ain't there problem!> They got your money and that is all they gave a damn about!.

= WELCOME TO THE BAD DELETE CLUB!... that is the typical fate for 90%+ of all people who have a delete done... of which usually only end up on my forum for me to point this out . after all the headaches, rebuilds, and other issues.,and after all the moneys and engine abuse that they could have avoided.

SO... IN THIS CASE ... IS YOUR PARTICULAR ENIGNE/TRUCK.. THE RULE.. OR THE EXCEPTIOON!>?>

With you bragging about 650HP .. and me knowing already there is a plague of bad delete programs out there that are made at this abusive HP level already.. .. I am thinking you are caught front and center in that "bad" category.

Copy the program out of the ecm and e-mail it to me + admit to yourself .. realize .. that abusive HP numbers are a bad idea on a $40,000 commercial engine, and that it needs to be put back to something within engine spec and non-abusive .. so that tings can be turned around and fixed properly.