ELD mandate
09-06-2017, (Subject: ELD mandate ) 
Post: #2
RE: ELD mandate
On another forum I made these 2 posts, they about sum up my whole thoughts on the subject...
The original point of the thread was Rep. Brian Babin's 2 year delay proposal.
Post 1:
I think trying to delay it is the wrong approach.
The insurance and legal industries are going to force it in like it or not, so use it as a negotiating tool.
Here's the idea;
Fine, we the trucking industry are supportive of measures for safety, so we'll embrace e-logs...under the condition that you the regulating body (FMCSA), will then agree that the HOS Reg's are BULLSHIT!!!
The oxymoron will now be on full display for the whole world to see. You, the regulating body are using HOURS to limit or regulate an industry that is wholly based on performance based financial compensation. Time to buck up baby. Shippers, Receivers, and Yes even YOU the DOT, YOUR DETENTION TIME WILL NOW BE MONITORED, and you will be financially responsible for said demiurge fees, or in the case of the DOT, a maximum time limited detention. If the DOT cannot find a violation to place you OOS in X amount of time, we are free to go! If the police can't find sufficient evidence to charge a suspect within 24hrs he is free to go, so why if the DOT can't find a violation in 10mins are we not free to go? It's only happened to me once, but I was held and inspected for over an hour and 45 mins at a scale, zero violation found. They were starting to get "nit picky" and when I called them on it and said I wanted to talk to the man in charge and it's time to have a state trooper or federal marshal attend before this becomes toxic, they let me go, that's BS!

We have been our own worst enemy ever since the inception of the log book. We lie, cheat, steal, and do everything we can to be able to increase our "performance" to increase our income, all at the detriment to ourselves to be able to hold the shippers and receivers accountable for needlessly wasting our time without being compensated. I'll be the first to stand up and say, "Yes I have absolutely done everything I just stated. Why, because the shippers and receivers have unreasonably wasted my time and they will not compensate me for it, and I have a reasonable expectation of income. I am performance base compensated, and I'll do what I have to to achieve said reasonable income."
Now you, the FMCSA, you need to stand up and admit that you realize the entire HOS regulations are out of line. If you don't believe they are and you wish to stand behind them, fine...let me kindly point out that YOU HAVE AN APPLICATION PROCESS AND HAVE GRANTED COUNTLESS EXEMTIONS FROM THE CURRENT HOS REG'S!!! These exemptions are your own admission that you understand that a "one size fits all" set of Reg's is WRONG!!!

Now LET'S do something TOGETHER with a mutual understanding.

These people don't understand "NO!", they understand negotiating, so let's get what we're due...FINALLY!

Quote:Post 2: is a reply, the other guys part has been italicizes & underlined
That's the funny thing. Everyone is asking for, and a lot are being granted exemptions. That proves they know the HOS are a total f$king mess. Very few people have a problem with the actual Elog. It's the HOS and having to adhere to it. Yesterday I went over by 8 mins. Two days ago I went over by 15. Are they going to be pricks at the next scale because I went over driving hours or will they be reasonable? Who knows! Every scale is like a lotto drawing. Will I get a dick or a nice guy? Or do I lose and hour and a half of drive time, pay? Which all snow balls by the end of the week.


Precisely, there's zero flexibility in the current flawed system. We all know it, that's why if we we're smart, we'd use it as a negotiating tool...instead of continuing to lie, cheat, and steal.

Step back boys and honestly take a look at our industry.
Every time they come out with some new reg;
-the Mega's via ATA et al get behind it and use back room negotiations to slowly squeeze us little guys.
-Us little guys, usually via OOIDA try to stop it. Not because we don't agrees with safety, which most reg's are designed around, but because the ATA/Mega's have negotiated it to affect us more.

We're losing, every single time. It's the classic definition of insanity, let's change the game and get behind it! And negotiate at the same time. Get the rule makers to concede a little and see we are not a bunch of anarchists. It has to be a little though, we can't change everything in one negotiation, time to learn the long game. If the FMCSA doesn't listen or negotiate, then when we make a case to the Senators and Congressman they will actually listen to us. Because we acting like adults and professionals, not like the temper tantrum little 5yr old shithead that just stomps his feet and screams NO NO NO! Would you want to do anything or listen to any group that acts that way?


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ELD mandate - DKenworth - 09-06-2017,
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